• Dogecoin Co-Creator Jackson Palmer said he feels major investors are running a crypto “grift.”

• Palmer originally created Dogecoin as a part of a counter-cultural movement against Wall Street.

• Mark Cuban told Insider that Palmer’s gripe isn’t anything he hasn’t heard before.

Dogecoin Co-Creator Jackson Palmer had some harsh words for crypto enthusiasts like Mark Cuban.

In an interview with Insider, Palmer said Cuban seems to have “drunk the Kool-Aid” when it comes to crypto and NFTs.

“Mark Cuban isn’t getting paid as a celebrity to promote this stuff,” Palmer said. “He actually has kind of been indoctrinated into believing that these things are the future.”

The Adobe engineer accused Cuban and other major investors in and promoters of crypto — including billionaire Marc Andreessen and investor Chris Dixon — of running a “grift.”

“They actively see it as an ongoing way to extract profit. It’s not like they’ve been paid once off to promote something — it’s that they want to be the ones that are in control or have ownership or a large stake in this kind of extractive, grifty system of cryptocurrency,” Palmer claimed.

Cuban dismissed Palmer’s charges in a statement to Insider. “Sounds like the same thing that has been said about every new technology I’ve been involved in,” he said.

Andreessen and Dixon did not respond to a request for comment from Insider ahead of publication.

Still, in August, Dixon, who leads the crypto fund at Andreessen Horowitz, said he sees digital currencies as a way to shift the power away from big tech. The fund, which was co-founded by Andreessen, has invested in more than 50 crypto startups. Meanwhile, Andreessen has called crypto skeptics like Palmer an “incredible gift” to his firm in the past.

Earlier this year, Cuban said 80% of his current investments that are not on the ABC program “Shark Tank” are related to crypto. In contrast, despite helping create Dogecoin — which peaked in 2021 and currently has a $7.84 billion market value — Palmer has said he hasn’t made a cent off the digital currency, he told the crypto blog Decrypt in 2018. He told Insider he’s always seen crypto as more of a “hobby.”

Story continues

Palmer also commented on the role celebrities like Matt Damon and Kim Kardashian have taken in advertising crypto to the masses. Though he said he sees the role of actors and artists in the crypto scheme as more transactional and less of a “grift.”

“They promote what they get paid to promote,” Palmer said. “I think that the actors don’t have a moral compass when it comes to that, but it’s their job. That’s what they do. It’s not surprising to me.”

In June, Damon was mocked online as the value of cryptocurrencies plummeted. People took to social media to slam the actor for his Superbowl ad with Crypto.com that told viewers “Fortune favors the brave” just months before cryptocurrencies lost more than $2 trillion in value.

The co-creator of the meme currency has long had a cynical view of crypto as more and more traditional finance types have embraced what was once an alternative to the mainstream financial system.

“Back in 2013 — or even when crypto was first coming out in 2008 — there was a portion of it that was actually a response to Wall Street and the overarching capitalist system,” Palmer said.

“What really turned me off was that I quickly realized that the people that were building these systems —building Bitcoin and building all of these cryptocurrencies — didn’t necessarily want to replace a corrupt capitalist system. They more so wanted to be the ones in control of an alternative capitalist system. The gripe for most people in crypto isn’t that Wall Street bankers were exploitative or had unfair power, it’s that they want to be the unfair power in the system and they want to be the ones that are able to extract large profits from people instead of Wall Street bankers,” he added.

Read the full interview with Palmer here.

Read the original article on Business Insider

Dogecoin co-creator Jackson Palmer is back with more harsh words for the crypto industry, community, and its influencers. This time, he’s after Mark Cuban.

The Adobe engineer accused the investor of running a “grift” by trying to claim a stake in the “extractive, grifty system of cryptocurrency.”

Drinking the Crypto Kool-Aid

In an interview with Business Insider, Palmer said that he thinks Cuban has “drunk the Kool-Aid” surrounding crypto and NFTs. 

“Mark Cuban isn’t getting paid as a celebrity to promote this stuff,” he explained. “He actually has kind of been indoctrinated into believing that these things are the future.”

Palmer was one of two designers behind Dogecoin – a top 15 cryptocurrency that’s gained relative popularity among the general public, and the fervent adoration of Elon Musk.

Ironically, he and his co-creator Billy Markus originally designed the coin as a mockery of the speculative irrationality that permeates crypto investing. While Markus has still welcomed the crypto community with a more lighthearted attitude towards the space, Palmer has upheld outright hatred towards it for years. 

“Back in 2013 — or even when crypto was first coming out in 2008 — there was a portion of it that was actually a response to Wall Street and the overarching capitalist system,” Palmer said. Since then, the creator “quickly realized” that crypto’s biggest voices simply wanted to create a newly exploitative system, placing themselves at the top. 

Alongside Cuban, Palmer includes Marc Andreesen and Chris Dixon in that group. The billionaire and investor respectively are general partners at Andreesen Horowitz – one of the most deeply involved venture capital firms in the crypto industry. Interestingly, Block Head Jack Dorsey has made similar implications about Marc Andreesen being part of a “grift”. 

Neither Andreesen nor Dixon responded to Insider’s request for comment. Cuban, however, said Palmer’s statements weren’t anything new. “Sounds like the same thing that has been said about every new technology I’ve been involved in,” he said. 

Elon Musk Fires Back

Palmer targeted Elon Musk with similar criticisms in May, claiming he was a “grifter” who was trying to destroy Twitter. He also claimed that Musk doesn’t understand how to run basic code. 

Musk replied to Palmer’s comments the following day, calling the co-creator a “tool” who himself had the “coding skills of a child.” The billionaire is on better terms with Markus, however, whom he regularly shares memes with over Twitter. 

• Dogecoin Co-Creator Jackson Palmer said he feels major investors are running a crypto “grift.”
• Palmer originally created Dogecoin as a part of a counter-cultural movement against Wall Street.
• Mark Cuban told Insider that Palmer’s gripe isn’t anything he hasn’t heard before.

Dogecoin Co-Creator Jackson Palmer had some harsh words for crypto enthusiasts like Mark Cuban.

In an interview with Insider, Palmer said Cuban seems to have “drunk the Kool-Aid” when it comes to crypto and NFTs.

“Mark Cuban isn’t getting paid as a celebrity to promote this stuff,” Palmer said. “He actually has kind of been indoctrinated into believing that these things are the future.”

The Adobe engineer accused Cuban and other major investors in and promoters of crypto — including billionaire Marc Andreessen and investor Chris Dixon — of running a “grift.” 

“They actively see it as an ongoing way to extract profit. It’s not like they’ve been paid once off to promote something — it’s that they want to be the ones that are in control or have ownership or a large stake in this kind of extractive, grifty system of cryptocurrency,” Palmer claimed.

Cuban dismissed Palmer’s charges in a statement to Insider. “Sounds like the same thing that has been said about every new technology I’ve been involved in,” he said.

Andreessen and Dixon did not respond to a request for comment from Insider ahead of publication.

Still, in August, Dixon, who leads the crypto fund at Andreessen Horowitz, said he sees digital currencies as a way to shift the power away from big tech. The fund, which was co-founded by Andreessen, has invested in more than 50 crypto startups. Meanwhile, Andreessen has called crypto skeptics like Palmer an “incredible gift” to his firm in the past.

Earlier this year, Cuban said 80% of his current investments that are not on the ABC program “Shark Tank” are related to crypto. In contrast, despite helping create Dogecoin — which peaked in 2021 and currently has a $7.84 billion market value — Palmer has said he hasn’t made a cent off the digital currency, he told the crypto blog Decrypt in 2018. He told Insider he’s always seen crypto as more of a “hobby.”

Palmer also commented on the role celebrities like Matt Damon and Kim Kardashian have taken in advertising crypto to the masses. Though he said he sees the role of actors and artists in the crypto scheme as more transactional and less of a “grift.”

“They promote what they get paid to promote,” Palmer said. “I think that the actors don’t have a moral compass when it comes to that, but it’s their job. That’s what they do. It’s not surprising to me.”

In June, Damon was mocked online as the value of cryptocurrencies plummeted. People took to social media to slam the actor for his Superbowl ad with Crypto.com that told viewers “Fortune favors the brave” just months before cryptocurrencies lost more than $2 trillion in value.

The co-creator of the meme currency has long had a cynical view of crypto as more and more traditional finance types have embraced what was once an alternative to the mainstream financial system.

“Back in 2013 — or even when crypto was first coming out in 2008 — there was a portion of it that was actually a response to Wall Street and the overarching capitalist system,” Palmer said.

“What really turned me off was that I quickly realized that the people that were building these systems —building Bitcoin and building all of these cryptocurrencies — didn’t necessarily want to replace a corrupt capitalist system. They more so wanted to be the ones in control of an alternative capitalist system. The gripe for most people in crypto isn’t that Wall Street bankers were exploitative or had unfair power, it’s that they want to be the unfair power in the system and they want to be the ones that are able to extract large profits from people instead of Wall Street bankers,” he added.

Read the full interview with Palmer here.